tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post6754992827320290176..comments2024-03-27T23:29:50.560+00:00Comments on History is made at night: Ben Atar eviction: a cosmopolitan responseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post-88964604098998151282008-01-09T21:43:00.000+00:002008-01-09T21:43:00.000+00:00I think it's difficult to be precise about what In...I think it's difficult to be precise about what Indymedia is or isn't since the model is of a more or less open access news publishing project serving an assumed movement. In this sense it functions as a mirror of that 'movement' reflecting all its contradictions and weaknesses -and perhaps showing that a movement that is based on a loosely defined opposition to the status quo without much critical analysis will attract some very dubious people and ideas. Someone once said of anarchists (was it Debord?) that since they tolerate each other they will tolerate anything - in this case including conspiracy nonsense and the barely disguised antisemitic baggage that invariably follows in its wake..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post-88910811774484501742008-01-09T13:40:00.000+00:002008-01-09T13:40:00.000+00:00If it was simply nutjobs leaving offensive comment...If it was simply nutjobs leaving offensive comments, that would one thing. However, as CC points out, the Indymedia project as a whole seems to have bought into the: <BR/><BR/>Israeli = Zionist = colonist paradigm.<BR/><BR/>I realize there is some editorial diversity from IMC to IMC but, generally speaking, the entire project is hostile to expressions of Jewish identity and supportive of attacks against "Zionists" i.e. Jews.<BR/><BR/>I write these comments with some remorse as friends of mine were affiliated with the Indymedia project from the very start. I know for certain they did not set out to create an anti-Jewish site but, sadly, that's what it has become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post-1777298059093422802008-01-09T12:28:00.000+00:002008-01-09T12:28:00.000+00:00This is what Noga (from Contentious Centrist) said...This is what Noga (from Contentious Centrist) said in the comments thread on my blog:<BR/><BR/>[QUOTE STARTS:]".. some antisemitic items are published there, by crackpots, along with other crackpot material"<BR/><BR/><BR/>A distinction without a difference. The final outcome is the same. A media outlet is not obligated to make its pages available to antisemitic ravings. When it does, I have to ask, why? Would it also make available space for KKK tales?<BR/><BR/>I hardly ever visit Indymedia but I went to check after reading NC's comment. It is definitely anti Zionist. When I stumbled across an article about Gilad Atzmon, illustrated by the cartoonist<BR/>Ben Heine (who participates in the 2006 Teheran Holocaust cartoon contest) it became clear that its editorial policies transcend mere antiZionism into far more, der Sturmer-type ravings.<BR/><BR/>Here is an example of Heine's work:<BR/><BR/>http://benjaminheine.blogspot.com/2007/09/finkelstein-was-being-intellectually.html<BR/><BR/>I'm afraid as far as the proliferation of antisemitism is concerned the time for nuanced distinctions is more or less over. The loathing, hatred, defamation of Israel expressed in classic anti-Jewish villification can no longer be shielded by the claim of "legitimate criticism". If you advocate for Atzmon's views or publish Heine's cartoons then you share in their glory.[QUOTE ENDS]bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post-48582834850341112492008-01-09T09:56:00.000+00:002008-01-09T09:56:00.000+00:00Far beyond the comments? Well, some antisemitic it...Far beyond the comments? Well, some antisemitic items are published there, by crackpots, along with other crackpot material (conspiracy theory, support for "anti-imperialist" despots, etc), but that is hardly the editorial policy or intrinsic to the project. I think it is unfair to call it "an anti-Semitic site".bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38519501.post-43012482700499330282008-01-08T22:24:00.000+00:002008-01-08T22:24:00.000+00:00Indymedia is an anti-Semitic website. It certainly...Indymedia is an anti-Semitic website. It certainly did not start that way but since the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 the Indymedia sites have regularly published anti-Semitic articles. It goes far beyond the comments to the articles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com